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taxation by using a flat tax. that way you can calculate the amount of taxes we need for the deficit over 10 years. another point is to control the spending on entitlements by not giving millionaires social security benefits, thereby satisfying president obama's approach. instead of doing it through taxation, he can do it through the entitlements. guest: those are both ideas that have been raised, especially the social security and medicare benefits for the wealthy and potentially might not need them to live off of. one tricky part of that is wealthier americans have been paying these taxes for decades into social security and medicare if and a lot of folks have a problem with the idea of taking away their benefits they have paid for if just because they happen to be more well off. and issued the first caller raised and something to watch is this could really sort of set the tone for the president's second term. if this thing gets ugly and stays ugly, it's probably going to stay that way at least another year or two, and the next thing you know, he's a lame duck president. if we cut a dea
trillion in deficit reduction. we need to stabilize the debt and work it down is a package of about $4 trillion over ten years. here we are today, december 19, and these law changes which i referenced earlier, the end of the bush era tax cuts, the dreaded sequester, across the board cuts of $1.2 trillion in spending will begin to take effect the first of next year. the good news is the white house and republicans have been trading proposals and at least yesterday appeared to be moving closer together. i would have much preferred that they would be talking about a bigger package than they've discussed but nonetheless to reach a package that would resolve some of these issues would be an important step forward and i think help promote certainty that would be important to our economy. on the revenue side of the equation, i just want to remind you what it's taken in the past to balance the budget. we hear talk on average revenue is in the 18% of g.d.p. range n. getting back to average you will should be sufficient. the problem with that is we have never balanced the budget in the last 50 y
the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. that can get done in ten days. >> wow. ten days. so, will the fiscal cliff solve in ten days? i know there's a deal out there some place it may not be until january, but let's ask our free market friday panel what they think. we have the columnist for the hill and former dnc communications director katie pavlitz. and mr. greenhaus is going to stay with us. all right, katie. first of all, obama basically said in ten days we can get a deal, it sounds like a small deal, 250,000 is the middle class threshold after mr. boehner's plan "b" got defeated. is such a thing possible? or will we have to wait until the new year? >> we're probably going to have to wait until the new year, unless, of course, president obama comes back with this new plan -- the original plan that he had, which as you mentioned the $250,000 threshold. the fact is that boehner and obama's proposals really aren't that far apart right now. president obama wants $1 trillion in new taxes, john boehner has said he's willing to give $1 tr
deficit in this country is rising health care costs. do we need to tackle those? how do they interact with the changes that are going to be set up across the country. is it going to cost the taxpayer more or less? all those have to be in the realm of realistic facts and figures. >> you're in arizona today. many of your constituents worked over the holidays. do you think congress should have stayed in washington to work together for an agreement? >> absolutely. absolutely. once you know, once the boehner plan b collapsed, all we got was a notification, you can go home, we'll call you when we're ready. >> boehner's got to get off the majority of the majority must agree to something. it's going to take democratic votes to pass a tough fiscal compromise and unless there is inclusion and discussion on both sides of the aisle about this issue, that compromise gets tougher and tougher. >> thank you for coming "outfront." >> appreciate it. thank you. >> now, on the other side of the aisle. congressman, you just heard your arizona colleague say you all should have absolutely stayed in d.c. and
that they have worked with me over the last two years. to reduce the deficit more than any other deficit reduction package. >> mohammed aladarin is the ceo of pimco and mark zandy is a chief moist at moody's analytics and joining me in studio is christine romans. the gdp for the u.s. grew at 3.1% over the summer. that's more than double the rate of the previous quarter. you can see the chart, it's been choppy, but it looks like we're going in the right direction. america's economy is gaining pace, doing better than expected. and we've been saying the 2013 could be the year of a real economic renaissance in the united states or at least the beginning of one. talk to me about the consequences to our prosperity if washington doesn't reach a deal. >> the consequences are not good. so what the numbers are telling you is that the private sector is healing. and if the private sector were left to its own devices, it would heal faster. unfortunately, washington is getting in the way. and what we find out this week, ali, is that the problem is not just a lack of trust between democrats and republi
congress is on pluto and we're all on earth. they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both believe it's better to go over the falls than cut a deal that's going to hurt them at home. tea party people don't respond to boehner or to cantor or mccarthy or any of them. somebody in the next tea party is going to be yelling from the back, you sold us out. i think that's why the tea party is never going to be functional. they don't really respond to getting things done. they respond to anger back home. >> i think 2014 democrats are also aware of these tax increases. they don't want to
for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. >> jared, is this actually a setback for the president in so far as the embarrassed speaker with someone at least with whom he was dealing? and now, the president really doesn't have a negotiation partner? >> i do think it's a setback from the nation because the president and speaker boehner were actually moving to a credible, plausible compromise at the very beginning of the week. of course, that's horribly off track now when john boehner decided to go to plan b. i think the president's lever raj, if anything, is enhanced by this. the problem is that i don't know why republicans would nibble at this idea of essentially passing the senate bill. that's what he was describing today. sometime before the end of the year. then they can have a massive tax cut for the broad, middle class and call it a day. >> the prospect of a grand bargain is absolutely gone for the near turn. there's no way they can craft that in the few days that they have between now and the end of the year. that doesn't mean that next year, they won't be able to sit down an
an agreement that will grow our economy and shrink the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending in a responsible way but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. and above all, protect our middle class and everybody who is striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days, every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get considerably smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do for our economy it would be bad for middle class families and it would be bad for businesses that depend on family spending. fortunately congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just add good and constructive discussion here at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both h
were a member of the bowles-simpson deficit commission and voted for the final report. let's remind people. that proposed almost $3 trillion in spending cuts. president obama's last offer, the one that the republicans rejected, was less than $1 trillion in spending cuts. we checked. that would be less than 2% of the $44 trillion the government will spend over the next decade. again, is that the best democrats can do? 2% of all the spending over the next decade? >> you know, this conversation means exactly what is wrong in washington. i mean, just listen to the conversation you just had. it is he said/she said, blame the other guy. and, look, i tried to be constructive here and lay out an actual plan to get us nearly $4 trillion, by taking the offers that are on the table. speaker boe president were so close and then speaker boehner went off on plan b. i never understood why. had no prospect of succeeding. it did not succeed, even in his own caucus. but now -- >> you are not answering my question. >> yes. because i'll tell you, something, because we only have nine days left here. whe
the deficit. a balanced plan that would cut spending in a responsible way but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay a little more. and above all, protect our middle class and everybody who is striving to get into the middle class. i still want to get this done. it is the right thing to do for our families, four or businesses and for our entire economy but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. we're now at the point where in just four days every american's tax rates are scheduled to go up by law. every american's paycheck will get consider bring smaller. and that would be the wrong thing to do for our economy. it would be bad for middle class families and it would be bad for businesses that spend, depend on family spending. fortunately congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just had a good and constructive discussion here at the white house with senate and house leadership about how to prevent this tax hike on the middle class. and i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. senators reid and mccon
in a second. >> proposal to get our deficit uncontrol, avoid tax cuts, or avoid tax hikes on the middle class, and to make sure we can spur jobs and economic growth. a balanced proposal that cuts spending but also asks the wealthiest americans to pay more, proposal that will strengthen the middle class over the long haul and grow our economy over the long haul. during the course of these negotiations i offered to compromise wit republicans in congress. i met them halfway on taxes, and i met them more than halfway on spending. in terms of actual dollar amounts we're not that far apart. as of today i am still ready and willing to get a comprehensive package done. i still believe that reducing our deficit is the right thing to do for the long-term health of our econy and the confidence of our businesses. i remain committed to working towards that goal, whether it happens all at once or whether it happens in several different steps. but, in 10 days we face a deadline. in 10 days under current law tax rates are kedcud you would to -- scheduled to rise on most americans. even though democrats and r
on the wealthy, along with measures to cut the fiscal deficit. talks between democrats and republicans came to a standstill last week. a deal still remains uncertain. the republicans canceled a vote on their compromise plan. that's because many republicans remain opposed to any kind of tax hikes. >>> china has opened what it calls the world's longest high-speed rail line. the railway links the capital city of beijing and ghangzhou in the south. shun ishibe have more. >> reporter: the first high-speed train for beijing is about to leave guangzhou south railway station. many passengers are carrying coats, because the temperature in beijing is about 20 degrees centigrade lower than here in guangzhou. the new line stretches nearly 2,300 kilometers, including a section already in service. the trip between the two cities will take about eight hours instead of the current 20 1/2 hours. china says it developed the high-speed train line on its own based on technologies used by japan's bullet train. the launch of the new service expands china's high-speed railway network to more than 9,300 kilometers
-class families that are already facing a real financial panic. >> warren buffett could pay off the deficit he wanted to. but it is to be that a deal will happen after january 1. does that make any difference? >> yes, it does. i think some of all this panic is a little bit overwrought. if they don't reach a deal in the next 22 hours or so, then we go into january, and the stakes get so much higher. as you said, people will start feeling immediately the effect of those higher taxes. and that will put the pressure on the congress and president reach a deal. if they don't reach a deal on december 31, which is my prediction, i believe sometime before the end of january, they will reach a deal. but my goodness. one of the things that is frustrating is we have known this day was coming for the last two years. yet here we are, 72 hours away and we don't have a resolution. gregg: this is a contrivance that they are desperately trying to fix. our member the president said in a debate, the debate, he said that i didn't come up with this. then bob woodward came out and said, yes, you did. you know, both
with reducing the budget deficit and reducing public spending. we have too high level of public spending. and if you reach the level of taxes is too high. so the strategy of the government should be going forward, again, to cap public spending, reduce taxes, to create a favorable environment for corporate. and let me say that france has a lot of advantages. nice infrastructure, good infrastructure, demography, people with skills, a good level of education. we can take advantage of that, even compared with our peers so let's do everything we can to -- the benefit of these positive advantages and not be -- not present people to invest in france because they might be afraid of a lack of visibility on the taxpayers or too high taxes. >> but do you think it's sending the right signal to investors when it's threatening to nationalize a factory? >> no, certainly not. these are not the right ones and clearly what an investor needs is, again, confident. immediately going forward, illustrate will not suffer from taxes or a potential threat. the message should be positive for investors, not just fr
, as well. now, the government has been running huge deficits for a while. >> i still find it fascinating looking at the basis of the actual market. given as you say we're about to enter a recession again. you brought a very, very divided and different government scenario which hopefully will be sorted out. but whether or not the japanese underperformance on the nikkei is going to continue, as well, given the comments we've had about the stimulus will flow into the economy. >> the japanese economy is still or at least the large companies are still very export oriented. if the yen depreciate appreciations, that should improve the chances for japanese companies to gain market share all over the world and that should improve earnings prospect, too, and drive up shares. i see that quite simplistic and there is upside if the yen really tanks. of course, we have to keep the currency movements in mind if you're an international investor, of course, examine japan, of course, has a domestic economy, too, which is likely to remain quite weak. that is the down side, as well. all other things being a
budget deficit. >> the japanese fiscal cliff will be larger than the one in the united states, because japan's financial burden is considerably heavier than the other developed nations. in order for japan to put its fiscal house in order to, japan is launching a tax hike soon. there's one important condition for japan to do that. that is to observe stable growth by the time the taxes will be raised. this government, it has to be eager to boost its economy so that you can see an uptick of growth in the first half of next year. >> toyota is having its largest ever safety crisis, but it will cost more than a billion dollars. japanese automakers selling with customers in the u.s. will say that their vehicle suddenly exploded for no reason. about 16 million vehicles were sold between 1998 and 2010. investors are relieved the payout was not even bigger. shares ended the day a little in tokyo. -- up a little. israeli-arab politician is appealing to the supreme court after she was barrestole the american dream, thursday, 30 eastern, 7:00 p.m. pacific. >> welcome back. a reminder of our top sto
of spending. stuart: look at $1 trillion deficit every year the last four years. >> the budget control act koch $1.5 trillion in spending. stuart: don't you get it? >> over ten year period. [talking over each other] stuart: i insist on this. president obama's plan cuts the deficit, it does not. it restrict future increases in the deficit. it is in the $24 trillion debt in 2015 will only be $20 trillion. [talking over each other] stuart: address the question. [talking over each other] >> let me answer you. we have a fundamental disagreement whether in a situation like this when the economy is of whether the government needs to cut spending. i do not believe it does. you believe it does. we have a fundamental difference how to proceed forward. stuart: what we need more than anything else is to stimulate the private sector and you don't do that with more spending and we need to control long-term entitlement spending. we have to reform entitlement programs. that would fix things. stuart: i agree with you on a ladder but not the former. stuart: where's the president's reform program? >> that pr
and the things we need to get this deficit and debt under control. it's about getting the economy on track and also getting the deficit under control. adam: you are a moderate, highly popular in the state of north dakota, and you have compromised with both sides on these issues, but the vast majority of the public looks at congress, all of you, the house of representatives and the senate looking at you guys with disgust. is that coming across in the halls of the capitol? do the people there understand what the people out here, the 310 million of us consider when we think about the political leadership? >> i think that is absolutely what's pushing the negotiation why we have to stay at it. as i said a minute ago, i'm in the camp where we have to continue to push until we get the job done. i'd like the big deal now. if we don't get the deal, get as much as we can and continue to go after the things we're talking about, the reforms and the savings, that we need. adam: senator, we appreciate you being with us here on fox business. while president obama and the congressional leaders work or app
-term budget deficit reduction. lou: i can tell you, your metaphor, it pro the is welcomed that nearly every year or in the country right now because the idea of being these politicians with something right now is compelling. i mean, this is really getting stupid. >> it's like spare the market, spoil the policymakers. lou: as we look at these numbers that are coming in, you were watching, as we have talked for some time. the bernanke bubble is rising. now, it's getting rater potent and driving this market. are we now seeing that shift, we are talking about over four and a half billion shares today, above the average all week. it looks like we're starting to see a real turn to equities. are we? >> that could be the case. if you believe money market rates will stay close to 0% until the middle of 2015 and ten year treasurys will climb above 2% anytime soon. it makes a great deal of sense. >> i agree. it is going to happen, and he has his paddle to the metal. he is n a point change. lou: he being ben bernanke, president obama has to figure out whether or not he going to change. i want to read
, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> joining us now from capitol hill. south dakota republican senator john thune, a member of the budget committee. so, senator, what do you make of the president's plan? >> i'm just glad the president is engaged. you can't do big things in washington, d.c. without presidential leadership. that's what we haven't had. the fact that he is now owe table. better late than never i would argue. at least he is at the table presenting something that wl give us a chance hopefully to get some bipartisan support in the senate and perhaps get something to the house that will avert what everybody agrees is a major economic disaster. but we're still waiting for the details and obviously there is a long ways to go and this is a very -- there is going to be a tough needle to thread in order to get this done. >> see, i don't understand why the democrats think that this is an economic disaster going off the cliff since really it's just a democratic agenda. cuts to defense and higher tax
that we will see a lot. he committed to trying to do something meaningful in the deficit. >> laura: did you you say meaningful in the deficit. wait a second. i have an audio problem. a what? >> i'm sure brad will correct me when comes up. you will see efforts on immigration reform and gun control and the biggest trade deal in the last generation. the pivot to asia and other foreign policy. >> laura: going to do all this by eg executive decision becaue last time i checkle he still had a republican house. >> stop the extraordinary fiscal cliff negotiations and go back to regular order and pass a real budget and provide an alternative. >> laura: the democrats also might take that advice to pass a budget. >> stop the games and go back to committee process and let paul ryan do his job and have the big debate. >> let's go to you brad on this. i say this to my republican friends. though are all upset he will do executive fiat and rule making. elections have consequences the old cliche quicks in and it is clear that the president s aggressive and he will use every means at his dice posal and if
house released includes this paragraph. seek a bald approach for bringing down the deficit with $3 in cuts for every one dollars in tax reform that contributes to deficit reduction. they said this is consistent with the bipartisan commission approach. yes, he did say that and, yes, we don't have that and, yes, we are approaching this deadline. >> how do you negotiate with someone who said during the campaign over and over three dollars in cuts for are one dollar in revenue and now neither side is going to get everything that they want. but the house republicans have said okay, we'll find $800 billion in revenue but give us the $2.4 trillion in it cuts and he has not been willing to do that. so the last ditch effort the hail hary pass was the house of representatives saying fine let's take nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's bill that they proposed this summer to extend the tax rates on every household and every small business a million dollars and below, allow them to go up on the million dollars and above which is the current law on january 1, let's do that. that ought to be somethin
deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been better taking the deal that john boehner negotiated with president obama way back when. they missed the moment. i think the real fear is who pays the price. i think the republicans has a point but will pay the price and the real people that will pay the price are the americans, the middle class. it is crazy to put us through this. >> all of the focus on tax cuts but the revenue from increases the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a dment the deficit to say nothing of the trillions of dollars in debt we are talking about. it is a symbolic fight the president is determined to win off of his re-election. >> it is not symbolic. there will be money raised if the tacks for the top 2% are left to expire. let me bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president, has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary. this president has put on the table quite an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the sh grin of many democrats, i might add. are they to the extent the grand bargain was several months ago last
the groundwork for deficit reduction and the president saying he remains hopeful that something can get done before the all-important january 1st deadline and i am told by sources at the white house that this will be a working vacation for the president. >> working in terms of what you have just learned kristen, and that is that the president, i understand, will be going to a memorial service for the late senator daniel inouye. >> reporter: that's right. president obama and the first lady will be attending that memorial service tomorrow. as you remember, on friday president obama spoke at a memorial service in d.c. for senator inouye. he praised his service as a world war ii veteran, praised him for his long service in congress and also talked about the fact that he has a personal connection to senator inouye, president obama raised partially here in hawaii. he called the senator one of his earliest political inspirations and talked about the fact that as he traveled to the mainland as a boy of 11 years old he watched senator inouye in the watergate hearings. we don't expect president obama
much deficit reduction too fast. so all of this takes place against a debate about how to reduce the budget deficit. that's why you get into this theater of the absurd. >> well, and look at the tape you showed at the opening of the program with keith boykin over and over again showing the dysfunction of congress. they made this so onerous with the belief it would make them do something less onerous and now they're right up against it. >> they really know how to make these crises happen. political correspondent and writer, john howard, thank you very much for joining me and former labor secretary robert reich, thank you for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, the nra has done much more damage than you think. and they've made gun ownership much harder to trace. >>> and the romneys keep trying new explanations for why mitt lost. but they aren't getting any closer to the truth. and as some of you on twitter already know, i am wearing a christmas gift or two on the show tonight. there is still time to tweet your guesses about what it is. the answer to what christmas gift or gifts am i
dollars and now the president's proposals are about 4 trillion in spending with deficits and increased. it is the economy. lou: it truly is. and i want to also if we may put up the cartoon. we do this very elegantly here. please put up the carto. the envelope. i just wanted to see that. it is great. the corner from the nation of achievement, mainstream america usa to the nation of entitlement . i mean, that s to meet not only with the committee is brilliant. can we put that back up? i want to show you something. some might mess in that cartoon. if you look at the stamp in the upper right, and $0.0. it is a food stamp. i have to say, we are looking at a president who is willing, as you know, an ssistant on $82 billion of tax increases on the so-called wealthy, the top@ 2%. and that is going to amount to just about nine das, almost nine days a lot bring the federal gornment's. more andmore absurd proportions >> it really is absurd. when you think about it, the deficits cast, over a trillion dollars for e next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it is nonsense. it is a
of more economic growth and deficit reduction. guys, i can hear you over here. i believe such proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities, as long as those leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or the senate want to vote no, they can. but we should let everybody vote. that is the way this is supposed to work. if can you get a majority in the house, then can you get a majority in the senate, then we should be able to pass a bill. so the american people are watching what we do here. obviously their patience is already thin. this is deja vu all over again. america wonder yes it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable, why everything always has to wait until the last minute. well, we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. not right now. the economy's growing but sustaining that trend is going to require elected officials to do their jobs. the housing market is recovering but that could be impacted i
is pushing for new taxpayer support for wind projects. with our budget deficit soaring an intense debate is heating up over whether the government should be throwing your tax dollars at industry the first place. i asked robert bryce, senior fellow at the manhattan institute about this issue. let's start with the tax credit. >> sure. gerri: this is industry, let's face it they don't have a whole lot to show for themselves yet we subsidize them to the tune of $1.2 billion. why? >> remember the industry said we're all about reducing carbon dioxide. that was the whole argument. now it shifted we create jobs argument. if congress does not extend production tax credit we'll lose 37,000 jobs. they might get an extension but there is big push among utilities, a lot of groups to end the tax credit and it very well could be ended. gerri: it doesn't work that well. 84% fail to produce electricity when the demand is great. as a solution to our energy problems how would you rate it? >> it is not a solution and it is wholly dependent on electric utilities and electric generation that can be dispatched
: will that tax solve the deficit spending? >> it will if you include 2%, 250,000 for couples, 200,000 for individuals and above. you start taxing capital gains and dividends, reinstate that and get rid of $109 billion in corporate taxes every year. you're looking it over $300 billion. ." tom: upside-down by trillion closet -- a trillion dollars. not even close fixing the deficit spending. still adding to the debt under republican and democrat programs >> this kind of class warfare rhetoric is serving a purpose. the reality is the proposed tax increases will fund the federal government for approximately eight days. it might make people feel good and that's a reason to pass it. frankly, i don't hear any politicians talking reality but the fiscal problems facing the country which is democrat or republican. tom: do you have any hope that the blame game can be put aside so they can get some work done? in the private sector these people would be fired. >> absolutely. this is a do nothing congress, the least active in fur years when it comes to policy making, and the reason we are here
our deficit under control, to avoid tax cuts -- to avoid tax hikes on the middle-class. and to make sure we can spur jobs and economic growth. a balanced proposal that cuts spending, but also ask the wealthiest americans to pay more, a proposal that will strengthen the middle class over the long haul, and our economy over the long haul. in the course of these negotiations, i offered to compromise with republicans in congress. i met them halfway on taxes and more than halfway on spending. today, i am still willing to get a comprehensive package done. i still believe that reducing our deficit is the right thing to do for the long-term health of our economy and the confidence of our businesses. i remain committed to working towards that goal, whether it happens all at once, or whether it happens in several different steps. but in 10 days, we face a deadline. in 10 days, under current law, tax rates are scheduled to rise on most americans. and even though democrats and republicans are arguing about whether those rates should go up for the wealthiest individuals, all of us, every single
serious about cutting the defsht and deficit? >> this is, look, this is the greatest irony of this entire discussion. and it is getting lost too much i think in the sometimes in the weeds of the back and forth negotiations. remember, the reason that we're doing this is because this grew out of the 2010 elections and debates over raising debt ceiling that following summer, 2011. the entire purpose was to reduce the size and scope of government in a way responsible to the voters of that midterm election. instead what we're almost certain to see is an expansion of government in the name of reintroducing it. we're likely to see much bigger government long term. we're not likely to deal with entitlement reforms as we need to do. as you suggest the president is pushing some short-term spending increases often in washington turn into long-term spending increases. gregg: but, steve, bill kristol, conservative, you know what, time to throw in the towel. you do not want to get blamed for raising taxes on 98% of americans. >> right. gregg: right? >> look, bill kristol is my boss and editor at "the w
into the situation we are in right now, with the huge debate over the size of the deficit and the debt? >> go back to 2001 and thereafter. the cost of the wars was not included in the budget. they were always supplemental. they did not show as a deficit. while the budgets looked reasonable during that time, the actual spending was greater. people did not pay as much attention to the debt. it just kept mounting and growing. we borrowed to pay for the worse when we did not ask people to make sacrifices financially. there is a difference between borrowing in the future, pang forward and backwards, or having to pay right now. people might have felt differently if they had felt a pinch right at the time. they would have asked different questions than were asked. that is one of the reasons we got where we are. >> could you have been any more vocal about appropriations? >> i was vocal. when i got on the appropriations committee, i became chairman of the legislative branch. that is everything, all of the buildings. office buildings, 1700 capitol police forces, and all of their help, support staff. i held
program run a billion deficit in 2012 . as the program brought in over 725 billion in cash and spent more than it earned it is costing 773 billion. >> julia: and you are surprised. benefits reached over 8 million and 820,000 in increase in november . so something shady is going on here. >> you used the word shady . i think that is a pretty good word to use. definition of who is disabled is expanded over the yearrs and recently, as you have a massive rise in unemployment and work force clinking and clearly some people are taking the disability option as opposed to staying in the work force. you can call it shady or financially unfortunate but it is happening. we never had as many people on disability ever before. >> clayton: republicans have a look at entitlement programs and we are trying to reign in the excessive spending. >> there are no serious cuts from president obama. there is serious effort at reforming. medicare and medicare. a lot of people don't say social security is enment. it is an insurance program. but it is enormous amount of money flowing out than in and it is getting wor
their deficit and we cannot, the world will switch to euros. there is a tweet here -- guest: the cbo is supposed to be a political, but it cannot be too alarmist. if we go over the cliff, we are looking on january 1, some of this is already milton. about $600 million -- $650 billion in spending cuts and tax increases. that is about 4% of gdp. that is an enormous negative stimulus. a detraction from demand. that would surely be a deep recession. the cbo relies on simulation models that did not take into consideration investor sentiment, the reaction of consumers, and so forth that they wholly lose confidence in their government. if we go over the cliff and stay there, people will start to conclude that washington cannot manage its affairs. all bets are off on economic modeling. it is impossible to say what happened that other than it would be very negative. host: one piece that you actually did right has this headline -- take the idea of a recession next year. with the perspective of everything else going on, when a recession look like? guest: it depends on how we get there. if we have a fiscal c
, and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. that can get done in ten days. >> reporter: you hear we are talking about the words "achievable goals." the reality here is we have fewer days to work with, less talk about some sort of a grand compromise, and more talk about trying to do something to get things done for americans. randi? >> what do you make of the language and tone? i mean, is any sense of a deal sort of evaporating judging from what we're hearing from both sides, tough talk? >> at the very least, we aren't hearing a lot of warm words between the two toward each other. we know they've been working on this for weeks. you just don't hear that thawing when you hear them talking as they did just within the past 24 hours. shows a lot of work to be done in the next few days. how much is behind the scenes when they're divided geographically is the part we don't know. >> yeah. the president certainly also asking -- suggesting that everyone needs time to cool down. will this new proposal pass with republicans, do you think?
and there will still be an enormous amount of work to do both on deficit reduction and tax reform, not to mention dealing with massive spending cuts which by most accounts are not likely to be involved in the agreement. don't know that for sure, but that's our understanding going in, martin. >> i think it's a safe bet. both sides have different wants. so what's holding these two sides apart when the this he know that so very much is on the line for everyday americans? >> it's a great question. i mean, what's really holding them apart are massive ideological differences. this is about government's role in your life. democrats want more of a social safety net, republicans prioritize lower taxes. and that's what distinguishes the democratic and the republican parties sop so that's what they're fundamentally fighting about. if you break it down to the basic deal points right now, democrats say this smaller deal should include a tax increase for households that make $250,000 and more. an extension of unemployment benefits as you pointed out for about 2 million americans, a delay of those massive spend
's the longer term federal deficit and then the shorter term impact on the economy. we'll have that first, right? the markets will go down and economic confidence will continue to slide. money will be taken out of the economy. so there's an economic impact right now. why should they deal with this crisis when the bigger crisis they couldn't come together tlen. sorry starbucks. they didn't come together before either. what do you do about deficits? the truth is doing nothing at this point is the best impact they can have on deficits, because taxes will go up, spending will go down. that's the point of this deal. so to come to your point, yeah, i guess they could suddenly hug each other and do had this dance, but the reality is there are a lot of people who think, what we are dealing with is deficits because the budget looks better and we'll deal with the economy some other way. >> doing nothing is what they do best. mike, before we let you go, ed mackey malden running for the united states senate in massachusetts. >> he's never run statewide. do you agree with this? i think scott brown is smiling
, because when g.o.p. is in the white house, deficits don't matter. can you tell us a little bit about the philosophies of the two candidates? well now, the president and the ex-candidate. will the situation be that much different if there was a different man in the white house? guest: well, look, it's an interesting question. it is certainly true that tax policy was one of the key sort of issues in the last election. and actually, the debate that we're having if it sounds familiar, it's because we've had it several times before. it was really a similar debate to what we had in 2008. we had the same debate in 2010. we had a similar debate in 2011 when we were dealing with the debt ceiling issue the first time around. and we dealt it with it in the last election. and the differences have always been that president obama has maintained that tax cuts should be allowed to expire for people making more than $250,000. mitt romney called for extending all the tax cuts fully. and making other changes to the tax code. but, you know, i mean, he wouldn't be in office right now anyway. so i think
, if we want to make a dent in the deficit. i mean this is the choice that is going to be in front of us. if, we have to do four things if we want to reduce the deficit. we have to get more revenue, we have to cut domestic spending, we have to trim and reform the health care programs in particular of medicare and medicaid and we have to cut defense. if we do all four of those things we can make significant down payment getting deficit under control. if we do some of them, the numbers are not there enough to make as much progress as we want. this is where mark and i agree. over next six to nine months we could see substantial progress towards smart fiscal policy in the country if the two parties come together. heather: we'll see what happens. thank you both very much for joining us until monday night. thank you. >> merry christmas. happy new year. [heavy breathing]. gregg: boy, remember that, video from april of 2011. monster tornado tearing through tuscaloosa, alabama, devastating the community and alberta baptist church. ever since then the church's pastor has been fighting insurers and
to help the country at the same time reduce the deficits which are confronting. we were handed a number and the budget control act to reduce the defense budget by $487 billion over the next decade. based on my own budget experience at the time, i knew that the approach should be not to simply cut across the board and hollow out of the force. but try to develop a strategy, what is it what the defense department to be not just now but going into the future as well. that is the purpose why we developed the strategy. today i want to describe the strategic environment shaping our future. the progress we have made toward implementing the strategy and the risks we face as they work every day to try to keep america safe and secure. before i continue, let me pay tribute to a couple people here who join me at the head table. my deputy secretary plays a crucial role in helping me and dod develop and implement this strategy. i deeply appreciate his dedication and commitment to the department. i also want to pay tribute to my undersecretary for policy who was also here and worked very hard on that s
trillion dollar deficits, both sides are being decided, and start talking about this. stuart: what is the media doing? >> typically cobbling barack obama. this guy is filing his nails while the republicans twist themselves into knots. the media are giving obama a complete pass on this one and not holding his feet to the fire on anything and keeping the gun fire on the republicans at all times. the media have been just about as silent as anyone else. all the media accept for stuart varney. stuart: flattery is the fondest milk in television. i have a prediction from you. i personally think there will be some kind of awful last-minute deal, tax the rich, don't cut spending, ignore the debt. i think that will happen. what is your prediction? >> i will put my kids and your prediction. republicans will take another step, go back another five to ten yards on the football field and the problem will just get even worse. stuart: do you think -- [talking over each other] >> the tech increase, don't anybody forget this, according to three different studies, is going to cost the american econom
that the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the debt ceiling. both democrats and republicans earth tactics that shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. but in a last-minute compromise, both sides agree to a trillion dollars in spending cuts up front and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional supercommittee. but a poison pill was attached. if the supercommittee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as a sequester would go into effect be at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years would expire. so the point is we could have all seen this coming and some of us did. we yelled at the top of our lungs about it but were drowned out by the election. it seems that good governance gets drowned out by continuous elections in america. this time there may be a serious price to pay for it. >> if we go off the fiscal cliff, be will you notice an immediate change to your wallet? we want to get a reality check from stephen moore, a member of the wall st
% of the population. >> and that he they gave numbers to the cbo that said we were going to cut the deficit. and, in fact, it was a new entitlement that now is going to cost $12 trillion. we're not that far apart on that issue. i've always thought it would cost a lot of money. >> we're going to have your wife call into the show a little later. >> there is a place of frustration there in any twosome, there's a place for someone who doesn't have to be. >> that's true. you're carson. >> can you do that? >> well -- >> you can't do ed mcmahon? >> i'll work on that. who was conan scott? he had a guy, andy richter. >> no, don't do that. you would have to put on a bunch of weight. >> andy was from my hometown in massachusetts. >> was he? >> yeah. >> let's check on the markets. down 47. we came back, closed down just 18 points yesterday. that's the first time in history where someone said that the house coming back in the markets went you up. usually the government comes into session and the markets go down. we're indicated down about 47 points today. oil has been amazingly strong considering that if we
for a job and lays groundwork for more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> just moments ago, senator harry reid says he's readying a bill for a vote by monday. all this follows a rare face-to-face closed door meeting at the white house today between all the key players, the president, the vice president, the treasury secretary and all four congressional leaders huddled together with just four days to go before we all go overs fiscal cliff. that meeting lasted for an hour and five minutes. on a story where every second and every maneuver counts, let's get chief to white house correspondent jessica yellin. jessica, the president says he's modestly optimist being but each also presented a backup plan. does the president really think it will come to that? >> at this point, no, they don't, john, because the white house is hopeful that the agreement that the senators are working on can actually move forward after the meeting here. there is a modest uptick in enthusiasm about that possibility. but as forts backup plan, there's no real likelihood that would ever come to a vote because republ
. that was for a group called the can kicks back. it was to raise awareness about deficit and debt. >> what was awesome about that >> everything. >> roland is right. there was nothing awesome about that. as a matter of fact, roland is right, john. there's nothing right. nothing. >> john's problem is inside, he's a very old man, too. i mean, it proves old people should really -- really old people should never use social media. >> an old man who is in debt and deficits. >> he's going to do the hammer dance? >> alan sem son impson is one o great public servants who will say or do whatever it takes to get people's attention on issues that really matter. skip and this group that sponsored it is the can kicks back. it's not 200 million views. >> i wish we could see al franken dancing in a unitard to fight violence against women. >> make the cut. >> senator franken. >> >> who picked the list? >> we all did it "outfront." >>> up next, a rust belt bright spot in 2013. we're going to take you there, next. [ male announcer ] rocky had no idea why dawn was gone for so long... ...but he'd wait for her forever, for
question, if i may, what kind of deficit reduction would this tax be able to provide for the people of france, if you incur 75% tax because you just happen to be a multi-millionaire? >> the thing about france is we're not the united states. we don't have that many multi-millionaires. it was actually really only going to affect 1500 people across the country. so it wasn't going to be very much. it was probably, if you're lucky, at best, $1 million. >> kelly: katherine field, thank you so much for joining us via phone and telling us about the deal in france. thank you. >> heather: back at home, hundreds of firefighters from across the u.s. and canada heading to western new york for second day for the wake and funeral services for these two fallen heros. the two volunteer firefighters were killed in a christmas eve ambush when they responded to a house fire and they were gunned down by 62-year-old william spangler. police also arresting 24-year-old dawn nguyen for illegally purchasing the gun that spangler used in that rampage. now the community of webster is stepping up to make sure t
for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. that can get done in ten days. >> the president's solution of raising tax rates would still leave red ink for as far as the eye can see. and it would hurt jobs at a time when far too many of our citizens are struggling to find them. >> reporter: the difference now, miguel, is in discussion is this for small package that would really only deal with making sure these tax increases don't happen and that these unemployment benefits are extended as the white house sees it. but the bigger issue of trying to deal with deficit reduction of entitlement reform, tax reform that is being put on the shelf right now. >> kicking the can down the road, i suppose. if there is no deal, will workers see extra taxes coming out of their paychecks starting january 1? >> that's the thing. technically taxes increase on january 1st. but if you were looking at your paycheck and trying to figure out am i going to be seeing this here just a matter of a couple weeks, no, actually. we wouldn't expect that you would be seeing your taxes in
deal, $3 trillion, $4 trillion, would take some long-term sort of whacks at the deficit problem, to talk about something small here over the next five or six days, just raising the taxes on -- and no real entitlement cuts. latourette said when he left that there would be republican votes in the house for this measure, if there was a spending piece, and he said it had to be about two to one. that isn't on the table yet. they have a ways to go to get to that arrangement and so i think it will be, you know -- >> the world on the other side of the cliff is probably more difficult for republicans than democrats. as you pointed out in your question, if there is stalemate taxes go up on everyone. you know, that would take it -- there are some people that say that's the best outcome going back to the clinton tax rates. it takes a huge bite out of the deficit, but on balance neither side wants to do that today, but, you know, for republicans i think that's a tougher world to swallow. many suggest if you go over the cliff, they come back and then have to agree to extend the tax rates for
to a head in the summer of 2011. republicans demand the government reduce its deficit as a condition for raising the nation's debt ceiling. without a deal, the u.s. would lose its ability to borrow money. both democrats and republicans deploy scorched earth tactics that nearly shut down the government and ultimately cost america its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. >>> but in a last minnesota minute compromise, both sides agree to $1 trillion in spending cuts up front, and another $1.2 trillion in cuts to be decided by a special congressional super committee. but a poison pill was attached. if the super committee can't reach a deal, automatic across the board cuts known as the sequester would go into effect, starting january 2013. at the exact moment when those bush tax cuts extended for two years, if you remember, would expire. so the point is, we could have all seen this coming and some of us did. we yelled at the top of our lungs about it, but we were drowned out by the election. it seems common sense and good governance often get drowned out by seemingly endless a
. that plan would have dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction and this will be a much more scaled back version that will deal with the issue of taxes and that is still the big sticking point, taxes. of course, democrats and president obama have called for tax rates to increase on those making $250,000 or less. republicans have said that's way too low. so they're thinking about potentially compromising on a rate that would be $400,000 or $500,000, but some republicans are saying they don't think that the tax rate should go up on anyone. so taxes still the major sticking point. right now the negotiations are going on the hill and there's a lot of optimism that came from the talks yesterday. of course, president obama hosted congressional leaders at the white house and they left that meeting and many said that it was constructive and they were optimistic that a deal could get done and i've been talking to my sources today and that same optimism isn't really present right now. there's more skepticism about a deal getting done and it is still very early in this process and this is a fluid s
important to step back and see the fact that we have already -- there are three parts of this deficit reduction stool. we've already in the past two years passed $1.6 trillion in spending cuts. we've passed over $700 billion in savings in medicare through reforms like cutting back on overpayments to insurance companies. the one piece of this puzzle that we've not been able to get any support for is making sure that the wealthiest among us help solve this problem by being willing to pay a little bit more to be part of the solution. so we have sent a bill to the house back in july, bipartisan bill that says what -- everybody says they don't want middle-class families to have their taxes go up, well, fine. why don't we start with something we can agree on, which is that? and just pass that. why doesn't the house just pass that? but as we know, the speaker couldn't even pass his own plan to say that up to a million dollars was exempt from tax cuts. so what they're doing is holding middle-class families hostage right now, trying to find some maneuver where the wealthiest people continue to
getting close to some sort of a deal, a deal that would have dealt with deficit reduction as well as tax reform, but that all fell apart and now there's a big question mark about how they move forward and the president himself acknowledging when he addressed the nation on friday that given the tight timeframe, hopes for a larger deal have all, but faded and he's calling on congress to work together to just get a deal that would have at the very least extend lower tax rates for those making $250,000 or less and also to extend unemployment insurance and to help lay the groundwork for deficit reduction in the future. right now the expectations have been lowered a great deal in terms of what is actually possible and you heard the president say that he is still optimistic that something can get done before the january 1st deadline and of course, there's a lot of pressure for these lawmakers to get something done because if they don't the economy could go back into a recession eventa you willy. >> kristen well wiker with the president in hawaii. >>> joining me now from his home district in ver
a deal that would include deficit reduction and tax reform. that has fallen apart. so there is a big question mark about what happens now. how they move forward. president obama boarded air force one friday evening with his family. as they left for hawaii. but a little earlier in the day, he met with senate majority leader harry reid and spoke with house speaker john bainer and addressed the nation on the topic of avoiding the fiscal cliff. called on lawmakers to compromi compromise, to get a deal done. he acknowledged time has run out for getting a larger package. what they need to focus on now is getting a smaller deal that will avoid taxes from going up on middle class americans. meanwhile, a very rough friday for house speaker john boehner, really spent most of the day, explaining what has been views as a political blow, when on thursday, many republicans refused to back his plan b. that is speaker boehner's alternative plan for avoiding the fiscal cliff and called for allowing rates to go up on those making $1 million or more. here is a little more of what house speaker john boe
, we are still looking at trillion dollar deficits every year. and the reality is that the house has already sent would measures on to the senate. one addressed the continuing bush era tax rates and the other that would erase the military spending. those are in the hands of the senate. they can act on those right now. we can put this thing to rest. we will wait and see what happens in this meeting and hopefully we will come to some kind of agreement to avoid this cliff. >> what do you think the best thing to come out of this meeting? >> i think that speaker boehner and the president walk out and be able to announce they have a team in next three days that will have an outline in which -- alice just mentioned the details will be hammered out in the first would weeks in january. we have that amount of time to stop the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff $700 billion of spending will be taken out of our economy. we have to change the scale of that fiscal cliff to a slight gradual bunny slope. so that our economy won't be zero next year. that is in a recession which will occur i
during graham/rudman and i remember when they couldn't get deficit conversations right, treasuries went down and stocks went down. oh, would i love to get back to that type of reality. >> yeah. but you had a different guy at the federal reserve at the time. >> yeah, a different guy, you know, in hindsight he was maybe the monetizer in charge -- in chief, and we get a little historical perspective on that, but as many things that i disagree with alan greenspan on, i thought he was at least more forthright into what he was doing, and even going after the government per se a bit when there were tax issues, all av d avoided by the current chairman ben bernanke, and even though he avoids the conversation, he doesn't avoid giving congress the biggest fire hose in the world filled with free water. >> i love those kind of fire hoses on every corner, please. >> what's that, david? >> bernanke is the most aggressive fed governor we will ever know in the last 40 or 50 years with the monetary stimulation that began in november 2008. >> well her, needed to be? >> and that's likely to still be the o
available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. walstreet finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get a budget dea
insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. wall street finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get
would say copper. i think it has a tremendous potential. we have a production deficit. i think future demand underestimated at this point. particularly in the second half of the year, could be a big winner. >> that would suggest a global growth play. >> it would improve growth, not necessarily explosive growth, but it would express china, for example, the rest of asia. >> favorite commodity in the agricultures? >> i would say corn. there's a battle for the acreage going on between corn, soy beans, cotton. they are all grown in the same area. the demand for corn from both an ethanol standpoint and also from a food calorie standpoint is going to be huge. potential sleeper, copper, because it's the least favored on a price basis so they're not going to be planning much. we could -- >> copper? >> cotton. >> i thought you said copper. >> i might have. >> planting copper, you've got me there, baby. >> they could be a substantial decline in cotton acreage. >> simon? >> can we just take you back to copper. we had a mention of this earlier in the show. the fact that you have these two physical
and spends too much. >> president clinton. this is it the largest deficit reduction in history. >> president bush. >> american families have to balance their budgets and so should the government. >> and president. >> ever day families sacrifice to live in their means and they deserve a government to do the same. >> boehner insists that the president is singing a different tune. >> it is clear that the president is not serious about cutting speppeding, but speppeding is the problem. >> you can hear the talking heads every day and back and forth every day. but have you tried to get your head around how much the government doles out every day. what is the basic math we have the problem. >> in the month of november. the government brought in five billion worth of revenue . we spend more than 11 billion a day. the difference as you can clearly see is roughly six billion dollars. so how can we keep speppeding more than we take in? the econist said we can't. the government spends more than 11 billion a day. where does thity of the money g. top four outlays. department of health and human services t
if you are wondering about reducing our deficit next year. host: candace on our line for independents. caller: i am never been able to get through before thank you for taking my call. unfortunately, i have to say that the republican congress is not going to do anything. you have to look that the last 03 years. they have not done a thing. the-you have to look at the last -- you have to look at the last two years. they have not done anything about job ax or the infrastructure build. i read an -- they have not done anything about the jobs act or the infrastructure build. i read an article about $2.60 trillion could be saved without touching safety nets. it is a well-written article. he talks about how eliminating unproductive and unnecessary tax spenders. the-tax expenditures. he especially talks about -- he especially talks about tax cuts. caller: -- guest: the republicans have been talking about spending cuts. it is true that they have not been as eager to pass the president's's stimulus plan. predictably, those two things conflict. the republicans want to go in the other direction. it
of deficit reduction as well as dealing with these tax hikes that are set to kick in. that's not what's going to be happening, instead, he's pressing for something smaller just to a deal with stopping those tax hikes from kicking in for americans making $250,000 per year or less. and also trying to make sure that unemployment benefits are extended. listen to what president obama said last night and also listen to what some of the house republican resistance from speaker boehner to his sort of short-term plan here. >> in the next few days, i've asked leaders of congress to work towards a package that prevents a tax hike on middle class americans, protects unemployment insurance for 2 million americans, and lays the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. that's an aachievable goal. that can get done in ten days. >> the president's solution of raising tax rates would still leave red ink as far as the eye can see and it would hurt jobs at a time when far too many of our citizens are struggling to find them. >> reporter: but so now, miguel, the plan is to just deal with
on growth and deficit reduction. >> that means taxes go up for some now and spending cut on medicare and other programs are kicked to another date. >> what the president offered so far won't do anything to solve the spending problem and begin to address the crippling debt. >> gallup in early december saying 58% of the public thought we'd avert the fiscal cliff. new poll shows it's dipped to 50% thinking that. the public thinks we are headed for a big problem. >> doug: breaking news from treasury secretary geithner it go about the debt ceiling. are we about to go to default? >> yes and no. secretary gite it go says today that we will hit debt ceiling on december 31, new year's eve. it only buys a couple of months. it proves even if we get through the fiscal cliff situation we are headed for a major showdown next year. >> doug: ed henry traveling with the president in honolulu. what happens if we go over the fiscal cliff? molly henneberg explains it means more money of the of your wallet. >> taxes are going up on everyone immediately. if washington can't come to a deal on the fiscal cl
the ground work for future progress on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> republicans say they want a deal as well, but they highlighted their biggest sticking points today in their weekly address. listen now to missouri senator roy blount. >> senate democrats have spent months drawing partisan lines in the sand. the president's proposal to raise tax on the top 2% of americans won't even pay one-third of the annual interest that's now owed on this massive $16 trillion debt. in fact, the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> the senate is set to reconvene sunday at 1:00 eastern time. the house expected to be in session sunday. are going to start around 2:00 with the first votes coming around 6:30 p.m. let's head on over to the white house. kristen welker standing by. a lot happening in washington, d.c. a lot happening i would assume at the white house. but how engaged is the presidented to in moving this thing forward? >> reporter: good afternoon, t.j. i am told there are conversations going on at the staff level. as you know, he met with co
for deficit reduction. that's an achievable goal. that can get done in ten days. once this legislation's agreed to, i expect democrats and republicans to get back to washington and have it pass both chambers. >> jared bernstein, is this actually a setback for the president insofar as the embarrassed speaker was someone at least with whom he was dealing and now the president really doesn't have a negotiation partner? >> i don't think so. i do think in a way it's a setback for the nation because the president and speaker boehner were actually moving to a credible plausible compromise at the very beginning of the week. and, of course, that's horfully off track now when john boehner decided to go to plan b. i think the leverage is enhanced by this. the problem is i don't know why republicans would nibble at this idea of essentially passing the senate bill. that's what he was describing today sometime before the end of the year when they can wait a few days, go over the cliff and tax rates automatically reach the higher -- i know this is silly, but then they can have a massive tax cut for t
change in order to deal with the deficit. but remember, the president has his pressure points, too. you have members on the left in the house, progressives that believe, you know, medicare should not be touched, social security should not be touched. so the president -- you know, and he's got to deal with that part of his base who came out and made him a two-term president. >> so, david drucker, then, do you think the gop, that they want to go over the fiscal cliff because then when they come back in january and there's any talk about changing things up, it's going to be to reduce the taxes? they can go on record, well, we reduced taxes. is there any reason for the president and congress to come back to work in washington the day after christmas? >> you know, well, they have to try or they have to at least show that they're trying. i think that both democrats and republicans in congress agree on at least one thing, and that's that a bad deal is better than no deal. of course both sides have different versions of what a bad deal would mean. some republicans think let's go over the cliff
? you going to still be left if you roll all of that up. you will still be left with a huge deficit. it's going to have to mean cutting the federal budget. >> even if we increase the tax rates, the top 1 percentn this country makes seven timbers of the income. 37 percent of the taxes. so a fair share argument really is it -- lou: you're getting a again start out here. your last shot. >> mr. president, please, please work with the business community. we want you to succeed, but you're putting impedimen in is next.nd make impossible. the thin line between video and reality, talking with a man who knows that line and exploits it to train our military, and he says some brutally violent video games can turn some kids int killers. colonnl dave grossman with us next. in washington, james harri. lou: joining me now, my next guest to says guns are not the real problem. kids are becoming so desensitized to violence and to death because of violent video games that we are injuring our young people. in some cases previously. the foremost experts on violence and media. lieutenant-colonel david rosen,
the groundwork for further work on both growth and deficit reduction. >> the president's solution of raises tax rates would be red ink for as far as the eye can see. and it would hurt jobs. >> reporter: the partisan bickering put the country on the brink of a potential economic crisis. long time lawmakers dismayed. >> it's the first too many i feel it's more likely we will go over the cliff than not and that if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential africa congressional irresponsibility in a long time. >> reporter: president obama is in hawaii for christmas and says he will cut vacation short to try to hammer out a deal with congress. the deadline is now a week away. andrew spencer reporting. >>> as we gather with our loved ones on christmas eve we are reminded the holidays for familiesin newtown connecticut will be somber. people came together to make snowflake decorations for the survivors of the sandy hook shooting. they say they wanted to do something to help make the town beautiful again and turn it into a winter wonderland instead of a place filled with so muc
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